Some people jump over obstacles. Others finesse their way around obstacles. Then there are those of us who pick up said obstacles, tear them in half, eat some now and finish the rest later. He's hard work personified, in more than one walk of life. We take some time to figure out how Mike O'Hara went from invisible on the sidelines to running one of the top independent gyms in Austin.
Sunday, October 11, 2015
Wednesday, October 7, 2015
Fan X Fan Podcast - CW's "The Flash" (Season 2, Episode 1)
Travis Bryant (@travlord) and myself (@ceehawk) do our first full episode review, starting with Season 2, Episode 1 of "The Flash"! We talk the lasting effects of the Singularity, , justice finally being served, and multiple universes. Also - EDGE!
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Tuesday, October 6, 2015
We're a Podcast Now!
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On your IPhone/IPad, open the "Podcasts" app, tap "search", then type in "South Kongress". And you'll see me, in superhero form. After you chuckle, subscribe!
If you don't use ITunes, the RSS feed can be found here.
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Tuesday, September 29, 2015
Drake is Tony Montana, Future is also Tony Montana - "Me and My Friends" talk "WATTBA" (Part 2)
Author's Note - this is not an "out of 10 review" because everyone does that now. Part 1 of the conversation can be found here.
"Digital Dash" - prod. by Metro Boomin, Southside
Chris Little: Future Floated, Drake was cool, production was fire.
Cameron Hawkins: Yeah, the production was crazy
Miles Burton: Metro Boomin really letting people know he's still here! Future tap danced all over that damn song man, that shit really make me wanna be fake kinda drunk in the bar dabbing, or hitting that DJ Esco. Also, Drake is on the song too. Cool. Metro Boomin is important. I like that Young Drizzy threw a tiny jab at the (Dream) chasers in it though. "I might take Quentin (Miller) to follies." That's a massage spot in Philly.
CH: "You hate your life just be honest!"
MB: "Massage" in air quotes.
"Big Rings" - prod. by Metro Boomin
CL: That chorus is STOOOPID. The Future shot was on there.
CH: "You just a battle rapper"
CL: "You just a battle rapper/ I'm an official Trapper!"
MB: "Big Rings" is the second best song on the tape. 'Nuff said."
CH: I think the production is great, again.
"Live From the Gutter"- prod. by Boi-1da, Metro Boomin
CL: I didn't like this song. Production was smooth though.
CH: I don't like it's placement.
MB: Future danced all over this once again. This shit make me want to mask up and go get them niggas. However, I don't have any beefs or even know who "them niggas" is. Also, I live in South Texas. Too hot for masks man.
CL: Should have been in the middle, or close to the end.
CH: It's solid, but Drake being live from anyone's gutter is laughable any time.
MB: It does break the hype music transistion; it shouldn't have been right after "Big Rings".
CL: "Gotta kill witnesses cause Miles' beard sticking out" *Hov voice*
MB: Drake probably picked up Sean from the gutter when they were getting closer before Ashley was rolling at a party and kissed Sean. Remember, they were getting back cool and Spinner was jealous? Word to Degrassi Street.
CL: (texts 5 yelling face emojis)
"Diamonds Dancing" - prod. by Metro boomin, Allen Ritter, Frank Dukes, Mikey Rodrigues
CL: No need to ask about #4 Cameron Hawkins.
MB: Yeah Cam, skip that. I can't be too hype at work right now. If it's not the best song of 2015 TO ME, it's a close second.
CH: Lol go to!
CL: "Scholarship" is fire
(I post a screenshot of "Diamonds Dancing" in the group)
CL: DAMNIT CAM I TRIED TO SKIP IT (3 yelling face emojis)
MB: Metro Boomin is very important.
CH: So, ok.
CL: Future set the tone off right.
MB: VERY IMPORTANT
CH: Future FLOATED
MB: Now I have to listen to the whole song twice
CH: And really. REALLY? Drake had an outro that lasted 3 minutes. Being apex selfish hurt Drake. Being "Perfect Cell" Drake.
CL: I appreciate hurt Drake.
MB: "YOU KNOOOOW/WHAT I NEED/FROM YOOOU, WHEN I GET HOOOME!!!/ YOU BETTER NOT BE ON THE PHONE/ TALKIN' UP A STORM LIKE YOU USUALLY DO/ TALKIN' TO YOUR FRIENDS LIKE YOU USUALLY DO/ TELLIN' THEM I NEVER SPEND TIME WITH YOU/ IT'S HARD TO FIND THE TIME, WE BEEN/ Sippin' on Dom Perignon for no reason... Poppin tags, upper echelon for no reason...
CH: Being "how can your life be worth living if I'm not in it" Drake. Oh, Chris, it's him at his best.
CL: He makes singing to these women great. Perfect description Cameron Hawkins.
CH: Like, if "Hotline Blng was on Cinemax instead of TBS, it would be "Diamonds Dancing".
MB: Cam, don't disrespect. No shde to my youngin, but "Hotline Bling" is so fucking terrible.
CH: It's forgiveable... "(Diamonds Dancing) is... He went full James Caan in "Casino" on that.
"Scholarships" - prod. by Metro Boomin
CL: "I rock Kentucky Blue, on these heauxs"
CH: So here - why not just put this on the tape twice and toss "Live From the Gutter" in the waste bin???? And the flexibility - THEY CAN SAY THE SAME HOOK AND BOTH KILL IT MAN. "Metro Boom make it BOOM, on these heauxs!"
"Plastic Bag" - prod. by Neenyo
MB: really the worst song.
CH: My thing - I know it's not for ME.
CL: It's trash.
CH: Cuz strip clubs don't make sense to me.
MB: Cam, it might be because I don't like the shake joint.
"I'm the Plug" - prod. by Southside
MB: REALLY I'M THE PLUG!!!
CH: So like, this is the Drake I want rapping.
CL: Drake's verse on this song was great.
CH: Big Sean supa dupa flow drake. What beat is is a riff of? Off DS2?
"Change Locations" - prod. by Noel
(name excluded): I don't have enough money to fully appreciate "Change Locations" but i like the song a lot, EXCEPT how high and nasal Drake's voice is during the "Me and my friends" part. "SIXTY naked bitches no exaggeration"?! Nigga, I've only had two a couple times. This nigga had thirty times more bitches than me at one time, no exaggeration.
CH: Buying bottles still silly though.
"Jumpman" - prod. by Metro Boomin
MB: the second best song if we're in the club. Second or third worst outside the club.
"Jersey" - prod. by Metro Boomin, Southside
CH: AGAIN - just put this on twice and get "Live from the Gutter" outta here
MB: Future really making wonderful music. "Extendo Extendo Extendo, the (clip) gotta hold like thirty!... YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT WHEN YOU POPPIN'!"
CH: This really could have been on "DS2".
"30 for 30 Freestyle" - prod. by 40
CH: Uh... Did Drake really say there's a conspiracy to get him out the paint?
MB: He really said that. By the old niggas though, not his peers. I don't think it's true, but he was fucking rapping on that shit.
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| Metro Boomin, Manu Ginobili, Chicken Wings. Yes. |
"Digital Dash" - prod. by Metro Boomin, Southside
Chris Little: Future Floated, Drake was cool, production was fire.
Cameron Hawkins: Yeah, the production was crazy
Miles Burton: Metro Boomin really letting people know he's still here! Future tap danced all over that damn song man, that shit really make me wanna be fake kinda drunk in the bar dabbing, or hitting that DJ Esco. Also, Drake is on the song too. Cool. Metro Boomin is important. I like that Young Drizzy threw a tiny jab at the (Dream) chasers in it though. "I might take Quentin (Miller) to follies." That's a massage spot in Philly.
CH: "You hate your life just be honest!"
MB: "Massage" in air quotes.
"Big Rings" - prod. by Metro Boomin
CL: That chorus is STOOOPID. The Future shot was on there.
CH: "You just a battle rapper"
CL: "You just a battle rapper/ I'm an official Trapper!"
MB: "Big Rings" is the second best song on the tape. 'Nuff said."
CH: I think the production is great, again.
"Live From the Gutter"- prod. by Boi-1da, Metro Boomin
CL: I didn't like this song. Production was smooth though.
CH: I don't like it's placement.
MB: Future danced all over this once again. This shit make me want to mask up and go get them niggas. However, I don't have any beefs or even know who "them niggas" is. Also, I live in South Texas. Too hot for masks man.
CL: Should have been in the middle, or close to the end.
CH: It's solid, but Drake being live from anyone's gutter is laughable any time.
MB: It does break the hype music transistion; it shouldn't have been right after "Big Rings".
CL: "Gotta kill witnesses cause Miles' beard sticking out" *Hov voice*
MB: Drake probably picked up Sean from the gutter when they were getting closer before Ashley was rolling at a party and kissed Sean. Remember, they were getting back cool and Spinner was jealous? Word to Degrassi Street.
CL: (texts 5 yelling face emojis)
"Diamonds Dancing" - prod. by Metro boomin, Allen Ritter, Frank Dukes, Mikey Rodrigues
CL: No need to ask about #4 Cameron Hawkins.
MB: Yeah Cam, skip that. I can't be too hype at work right now. If it's not the best song of 2015 TO ME, it's a close second.
CH: Lol go to!
CL: "Scholarship" is fire
(I post a screenshot of "Diamonds Dancing" in the group)
CL: DAMNIT CAM I TRIED TO SKIP IT (3 yelling face emojis)
MB: Metro Boomin is very important.
CH: So, ok.
CL: Future set the tone off right.
MB: VERY IMPORTANT
CH: Future FLOATED
MB: Now I have to listen to the whole song twice
CH: And really. REALLY? Drake had an outro that lasted 3 minutes. Being apex selfish hurt Drake. Being "Perfect Cell" Drake.
CL: I appreciate hurt Drake.
MB: "YOU KNOOOOW/WHAT I NEED/FROM YOOOU, WHEN I GET HOOOME!!!/ YOU BETTER NOT BE ON THE PHONE/ TALKIN' UP A STORM LIKE YOU USUALLY DO/ TALKIN' TO YOUR FRIENDS LIKE YOU USUALLY DO/ TELLIN' THEM I NEVER SPEND TIME WITH YOU/ IT'S HARD TO FIND THE TIME, WE BEEN/ Sippin' on Dom Perignon for no reason... Poppin tags, upper echelon for no reason...
CH: Being "how can your life be worth living if I'm not in it" Drake. Oh, Chris, it's him at his best.
CL: He makes singing to these women great. Perfect description Cameron Hawkins.
CH: Like, if "Hotline Blng was on Cinemax instead of TBS, it would be "Diamonds Dancing".
MB: Cam, don't disrespect. No shde to my youngin, but "Hotline Bling" is so fucking terrible.
CH: It's forgiveable... "(Diamonds Dancing) is... He went full James Caan in "Casino" on that.
"Scholarships" - prod. by Metro Boomin
CL: "I rock Kentucky Blue, on these heauxs"
CH: So here - why not just put this on the tape twice and toss "Live From the Gutter" in the waste bin???? And the flexibility - THEY CAN SAY THE SAME HOOK AND BOTH KILL IT MAN. "Metro Boom make it BOOM, on these heauxs!"
"Plastic Bag" - prod. by Neenyo
MB: really the worst song.
CH: My thing - I know it's not for ME.
CL: It's trash.
CH: Cuz strip clubs don't make sense to me.
MB: Cam, it might be because I don't like the shake joint.
"I'm the Plug" - prod. by Southside
MB: REALLY I'M THE PLUG!!!
CH: So like, this is the Drake I want rapping.
CL: Drake's verse on this song was great.
CH: Big Sean supa dupa flow drake. What beat is is a riff of? Off DS2?
"Change Locations" - prod. by Noel
(name excluded): I don't have enough money to fully appreciate "Change Locations" but i like the song a lot, EXCEPT how high and nasal Drake's voice is during the "Me and my friends" part. "SIXTY naked bitches no exaggeration"?! Nigga, I've only had two a couple times. This nigga had thirty times more bitches than me at one time, no exaggeration.
CH: Buying bottles still silly though.
"Jumpman" - prod. by Metro Boomin
MB: the second best song if we're in the club. Second or third worst outside the club.
"Jersey" - prod. by Metro Boomin, Southside
CH: AGAIN - just put this on twice and get "Live from the Gutter" outta here
MB: Future really making wonderful music. "Extendo Extendo Extendo, the (clip) gotta hold like thirty!... YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT WHEN YOU POPPIN'!"
CH: This really could have been on "DS2".
"30 for 30 Freestyle" - prod. by 40
CH: Uh... Did Drake really say there's a conspiracy to get him out the paint?
MB: He really said that. By the old niggas though, not his peers. I don't think it's true, but he was fucking rapping on that shit.
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Drake is Tony Montana, Future is also Tony Montana - "Me and My Friends" talk "WATTBA" (Part 1)
Author's note - everyone does "week of" reviews - decided to let this one marinate, then discuss it with like minded folk.
Once I find a movie I like, I can watch it time and time again. A few examples - "Step Brothers is one of the start to finish funniest things I've ever seen. I feel like I find something new each time I watch. "Friday After Next” certainly isn't as GOOD as "Friday", but the shift in storytelling, and the supporting cast just work for me. "Blade", the first great Marvel movie, is a basic cable staple, and when it's on, I watch start to finish every time, commercials included.
One movie I watch, but never finish, is "Scarface". Hood classic, late bloomer, Spike TV's favorite go to, the story about Cuban criminal turned American criminal turned coked out corpse, is a movie I both love, and find hard to enjoy in it's entirety. Whenever Scarface is on, I stop the movie right after you see the tiger in the garden. He made it. Tony Montana rose to the top, got the girl, and the ridiculous pet. Fin.
So my relationship with the super popular film parallels the relationship I have with Drake's music. I'll preface this by saying, its all pretty good. There really hasn't been anything he's released I didn't "like" upon hearing. The issue is timing. "So Far Gone", Drake's first mainstream mixtape, is maybe the most important collection of music to me personally. To set the stage:
I had just recently graduated college, and had a well paying job. I'd been seeing a girl for about four years, and we'd just moved in together. Over the course of about four months, it just fell apart. There was nothing specific, it was just the change from living with/ around friends, and going to just the two of us, didn't work at the time. So the next few months were, in a word, intense. I was out every night. I was drinking more days than not. I had never really dated, so I was getting used to the whole dinner/movie drinks aspect of early 20's adulthood. But I figure this was how everyone else was living, so I should embrace my newfound freedom.
I didn't really talk to anyone about the situation for a time. It's hard to talk about things in your head going bad, when you have more control over your life than before, especially at a young age. But the fun, wasn't always fun. You become accustomed to sharing your space, your thoughts, meals with that other person. So, to cope, there's the alcohol. There are the parties, the bars. There's poor dieting and a lack of exercise. You want to exist in a space where you don't worry about what isn't happening anymore, but you want to control as much of every other aspect as you can.
So word of mouth starts talking about "So Far Gone", and how this kid from Canada can really rap/ harmonize. I give it a run. I'm immediately floored. The bars are strong. The cadences are crisp. The "ballads" as they were, REALLY work. But the best thing about it - it's just so unapologetic in it's selfishness. It's "808's and Heartbreak" if Kanye could naturally produce an alto. The entire crux of it is "how am I supposed to handle all these good things happening to me?" and I could understand, start to finish. It was about being the pressures of being desirable, asking people to fix things you ruined, and most importantly, nothing is really my fault.
So it's difficult for me to dive into the deep end of any other Drake project. The music has progressed, and for all intents and purposes, he's BETTER today at singing and rapping. But "So Far Gone" was my crutch, my doctor, my friend. I don't need that tarnished, because it meant so much at the time.
On the opposite end of that is Future. I want to hear every Future record made ever. I want the stuff he tossed in the garbage, the stuff that didn't make a mixtape cut. Whereas Drake's first big project is the very best of "Scarface", Future is the extended cut. It's all so painful. It's sex, drugs, and rock & roll, but if Roger Troutman smoked Newports and had his jaw wired shut. I love it. It's dark, even when it's being lighthearted. I understand being around people that don't have your best interest at heart, self-medicating, and well, crazy dealings with women. Everything he has to say, even if I can't internalize it, I want to know about it.
"DS2" is phenomenal. It's blood and guts, the whole way through. "Is Rap music destructive?" Is always a hard conversation for me, because like most things, it's how you internalize it. I'm pretty sure at least 15 people died over the course of 18 songs. MAD BIRDS got flipped. So many pints of lean were consumed! But it's the way you present the subject matter. People forget Nelly's first single was about a damn drive by, because of the sing-songy nature of the hook. HE CAME OUT THE GATE KILLING PEOPLE! So when Future has the confidence to title a song "The Percocet & Stripper Joint", neither of which I'm really fond of, and I can't stop listening, I know whatever the subject matter, he's going to present it in a way I just want to hear more. It's real artistry - no matter the specifics, it's crafted in a way that even if you don't live it, you can SEE it.
Perhaps the biggest hook to Future's music is how it deals with women. It's certainly not embracing any type of one on one relationship, but the why out weight the "WTF?" for me. It's common knowledge Kayne's "808's" and "MBDTF" were inspired by ex girlfriends (to varying results), and a common idea is that "Yeezus" was hyper sexual because it was created while his wife was pregnant. So when Future opens with "you'll fuck a bitch nigga for the fame, won't you?/ you'll give that pussy up to a lame, won't you?" you have a pretty good read on who's being referenced. So even it the relationships aren't the one's your parents would approve of, you see real world events inspire language and code, making the music more authentic. In 2015, this is the only artist who's every word I'm hanging on. In the same way that I replay the hotel chainsaw scene in "Scarface" 5 or 6 times every time I watch. Up until the Tiger. Because there's really no movie after that. I'm convinced.
The "What a Time to be Alive" group conversation is in part 2.
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Once I find a movie I like, I can watch it time and time again. A few examples - "Step Brothers is one of the start to finish funniest things I've ever seen. I feel like I find something new each time I watch. "Friday After Next” certainly isn't as GOOD as "Friday", but the shift in storytelling, and the supporting cast just work for me. "Blade", the first great Marvel movie, is a basic cable staple, and when it's on, I watch start to finish every time, commercials included.
One movie I watch, but never finish, is "Scarface". Hood classic, late bloomer, Spike TV's favorite go to, the story about Cuban criminal turned American criminal turned coked out corpse, is a movie I both love, and find hard to enjoy in it's entirety. Whenever Scarface is on, I stop the movie right after you see the tiger in the garden. He made it. Tony Montana rose to the top, got the girl, and the ridiculous pet. Fin.
So my relationship with the super popular film parallels the relationship I have with Drake's music. I'll preface this by saying, its all pretty good. There really hasn't been anything he's released I didn't "like" upon hearing. The issue is timing. "So Far Gone", Drake's first mainstream mixtape, is maybe the most important collection of music to me personally. To set the stage:
I had just recently graduated college, and had a well paying job. I'd been seeing a girl for about four years, and we'd just moved in together. Over the course of about four months, it just fell apart. There was nothing specific, it was just the change from living with/ around friends, and going to just the two of us, didn't work at the time. So the next few months were, in a word, intense. I was out every night. I was drinking more days than not. I had never really dated, so I was getting used to the whole dinner/movie drinks aspect of early 20's adulthood. But I figure this was how everyone else was living, so I should embrace my newfound freedom.
I didn't really talk to anyone about the situation for a time. It's hard to talk about things in your head going bad, when you have more control over your life than before, especially at a young age. But the fun, wasn't always fun. You become accustomed to sharing your space, your thoughts, meals with that other person. So, to cope, there's the alcohol. There are the parties, the bars. There's poor dieting and a lack of exercise. You want to exist in a space where you don't worry about what isn't happening anymore, but you want to control as much of every other aspect as you can.
So word of mouth starts talking about "So Far Gone", and how this kid from Canada can really rap/ harmonize. I give it a run. I'm immediately floored. The bars are strong. The cadences are crisp. The "ballads" as they were, REALLY work. But the best thing about it - it's just so unapologetic in it's selfishness. It's "808's and Heartbreak" if Kanye could naturally produce an alto. The entire crux of it is "how am I supposed to handle all these good things happening to me?" and I could understand, start to finish. It was about being the pressures of being desirable, asking people to fix things you ruined, and most importantly, nothing is really my fault.
So it's difficult for me to dive into the deep end of any other Drake project. The music has progressed, and for all intents and purposes, he's BETTER today at singing and rapping. But "So Far Gone" was my crutch, my doctor, my friend. I don't need that tarnished, because it meant so much at the time.
On the opposite end of that is Future. I want to hear every Future record made ever. I want the stuff he tossed in the garbage, the stuff that didn't make a mixtape cut. Whereas Drake's first big project is the very best of "Scarface", Future is the extended cut. It's all so painful. It's sex, drugs, and rock & roll, but if Roger Troutman smoked Newports and had his jaw wired shut. I love it. It's dark, even when it's being lighthearted. I understand being around people that don't have your best interest at heart, self-medicating, and well, crazy dealings with women. Everything he has to say, even if I can't internalize it, I want to know about it.
"DS2" is phenomenal. It's blood and guts, the whole way through. "Is Rap music destructive?" Is always a hard conversation for me, because like most things, it's how you internalize it. I'm pretty sure at least 15 people died over the course of 18 songs. MAD BIRDS got flipped. So many pints of lean were consumed! But it's the way you present the subject matter. People forget Nelly's first single was about a damn drive by, because of the sing-songy nature of the hook. HE CAME OUT THE GATE KILLING PEOPLE! So when Future has the confidence to title a song "The Percocet & Stripper Joint", neither of which I'm really fond of, and I can't stop listening, I know whatever the subject matter, he's going to present it in a way I just want to hear more. It's real artistry - no matter the specifics, it's crafted in a way that even if you don't live it, you can SEE it.
Perhaps the biggest hook to Future's music is how it deals with women. It's certainly not embracing any type of one on one relationship, but the why out weight the "WTF?" for me. It's common knowledge Kayne's "808's" and "MBDTF" were inspired by ex girlfriends (to varying results), and a common idea is that "Yeezus" was hyper sexual because it was created while his wife was pregnant. So when Future opens with "you'll fuck a bitch nigga for the fame, won't you?/ you'll give that pussy up to a lame, won't you?" you have a pretty good read on who's being referenced. So even it the relationships aren't the one's your parents would approve of, you see real world events inspire language and code, making the music more authentic. In 2015, this is the only artist who's every word I'm hanging on. In the same way that I replay the hotel chainsaw scene in "Scarface" 5 or 6 times every time I watch. Up until the Tiger. Because there's really no movie after that. I'm convinced.
The "What a Time to be Alive" group conversation is in part 2.
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Sunday, June 7, 2015
'Fan, Not a Fan Podcast' - CW's "The Flash" Part 1
A friend and I reflect on the first season of CW's "The Flash, from pretty different perspectives. We talk themes, characters, previous shows/ movies, and dig into why some of the directions taken were made.
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Tuesday, May 5, 2015
Why I'm Pulling for the Stranded Students of Corinthian Colleges, Inc.
Note- I was contacted by Maya Pope-Chappell, a news editor at LinkedIn overseeing education content, to write a blog post for LinkedIn concerning students reusing to pay back student loans/ ascking the Department of Education to forgive their loan payments, based on false reporting on graduation/job placement on the part of Corinthian Colleges, my former employer. I have no idea if blogging is included in my LinkedIn profile, but this was a great chance to get out years of opinions and frustrations. The link to the actual post is here.
My name is Cameron Hawkins. I am
a Finance Planner at the Everest Institute in Austin, TX. My campus was a
subsidiary of Corinthian Colleges Inc. until February 2nd, 2015. I've
worked at this campus, in this position, since March 2nd, 2009, the
majority of my adult life. I did as much growing up in this particular
office as I ever did in college, or high school before that. I include a
bit about myself only to help show why my opinions, and strong feelings, are
those of a person that came into this position with ignorance, and innocence,
and has probably become a bit hardened of the course of six years.
The campus had been
opened under the "National Institute of Technology" name for years
before I started. When I came on board, it was thriving. The
student population was large, vibrant, and people from all walks of life were
coming to school to further their educations. In my first week or
training, I heard the story of a man who had spent a good part of his adult
like in prison, and wanted to change the path of "going nowhere fast"
as he coined it. At this point, I'm 23, and education hardship isn't
something I knew much about. I'd just finished college, where some people
were rich, some broke, but on an intellectual and social level, we were more or
less the same.
As time went on, the
stories got more and more interesting. You had people that were going to
school to no longer have to rely on abusive partners, people that were recently
divorced and had no income of their own, people with asylum form other
countries, pretty much the full scope "what else could happen?" came
across my desk. And for each of these people, the goal was to find a way
to get them into school, one way or another.
In just about every
case, regardless of income, our students walked out the door having to pay back
some portion of the cost of education. For example, in 2011-2012, it's
fair to say the cost of education, on average, was $17,500. So if Susie
Smith, who works at Best Buy, and has one kid, wants to attend school?
Here's how things would break down for her:
1 person household,
$25,000 per year income, eligible for financial aid -
$5550.00 - Pell
grant (does not have to be repaid)
$3500.00 -
subsidized Stafford loan (3.4% interest rate)
$6000.00 -
unsubsidized Stafford loan (6.8% interest rate)
So this would be
standard to a person eligible for the full amount of financial aid offered
during their time here.
What complicated
this was that in most cases, they also had a private loan they had to pay back
to make up for the difference in costs. So, that gap of $2000-$3000 that
wasn't accounted for by government aid? That became a private loan based
on Susie's credit, that at one point had an interest as high as 17% if the
credit report didn’t favor her. So for that $2000, she'd be paying $40/mo
in school to cover the interest, and then $200/mo between her federal and
private loans. It never seemed fair, but to many of us, that was the
price you paid, quite literally, for OUR education.
Whether it was a
requirement or not, it was STRONGLY suggested that anyone working in financial
aid, or admissions, had at least an Associate’s degree, or was working towards
their Bachelor's in order to work in those positions. I'm not sure if it
was by design, but it did make talking about using student loans an easier
conversation with a prospective student.
"That's a lot
of money to pay back."
"Well I went to
school too. I think of it as necessary, in that without using loans to
help fund your education, you may not be able to get one until you're in a
position to pay out of pocket. Most of us weren't in that position, and
it's something we pay back now, but it's worth it."
I never felt, and
still don't feel, I ever talked someone into doing something that wasn't their
intention. It's my understanding that a school needs students to operate,
but the idea of stressing how to make a payment each month doesn't help a student
focus. But student loan debt is something I'd have in common with just
about every student, and in just about every case, the dollar amount I was
paying back was triple the amount they were facing, so it never seemed like
"that much" from my side of the cubicle.
Now, Admissions and
Financial Aid are really the entry points to our industry. The other half
is of course, the classroom, and career services. "Are y'all going
to help me get a job (this is Texas) after I'm done?" was a frequent, and
necessary question. I always told students that we have a department
specifically geared toward just that. Career Services, in my estimation,
was created specifically to separate trade Education from your standard college
experience. I wasn't given information on what jobs to go after, or who
to talk to, once I graduated. Corinthian sought to account for creating
good will by hiring people specifically to help with resumes, find externship
sites (most classes require a month of unpaid work in the field to graduate) and
develop job leads so graduates would not finish and have nowhere to go.
On occasion, a
prospective student would lean in during an appointment and ask, "so, do
they REALLY help find jobs, and how can I make sure I'm ok." I could
only speak from what I saw, as that wasn't my department. I always told
students to make themselves known to Career Services, and not to wait until
their final month or two to do so. I never saw job placement as
favoritism, but it's far easier to find a place for a student who not only does
good work, but makes it a point to be known, and be forthcoming about their
goals. Many students already had a feel for a particular site or company
they wanted to work for, so they didn't really need that department, but very
rarely did I see someone qualified, with a good attitude, get lost in the
shuffle.
I've seen students
who were kicked off of extern sites complain about not getting hired at a place
they were interested in. While this certainly wasn't the majority, they
make it hard for people to recommend them based on a past performance.
I've never heard a conversation end with "I’m not going to find this
person anything" but I'd assume that in order to maintain goodwill with
certain employers, you'd have to limit who you'd recommend based on prior
knowledge. Another thing that made job placement hard was criminal
history. For some occupations, like the medical field, anyone with a
felony conviction was almost immediately steered into something else that would
be a bit more forgiving, like a skilled trade (Heating/Air, Electrical Tech).
But even a tamer history complicated job placement. In a school
looking to be a positive alternative to traditional education, I certainly
understand wanting to give people a chance regardless of past transgressions,
but I'm sure there were people, if given the chance to see what would happen at
the end of their programs, would have chosen not to incur the debt associated
with their education.
When Corinthian came
under fire, the chief accusations were misleading students about their job
prospects, as well as the actual number of people that completed the programs.
It's hard to speak to specifics, as the accusations were primarily
lobbied at California campuses. Whenever you complete the FAFSA form, it
gives you graduation and retention numbers for whatever school you choose to
send the information to. our campus in particular has around a 75%
graduation rate. Working in financial aid, it's difficult to say if that
number is on the nose. I'd say it's not far off, based off of re-entries
and drops. A re-entry is a student that quits the program, and comes back
as later point. Sometimes, a re-entry can be gone for full years, and
still be able to pick up where they left off at a prorated tuition amount,
Even though we see re-entries regularly, it pales in comparison to the
amount of new students we enroll on a daily basis.
(While writing, I took a break to go to our primary file room -
in the section designated "drops" from 2011 to the present, I counted
roughly 28 filing cabinets and 64 stacked boxes. The rest of the room was
either current student or graduates. With the space that took up, I'd
suggest the numbers are on point, if not very close.)
With all that said,
I do have very strong opinions about former senior management/employment, and
the role that should play in former students repaying their costs of education.
We've had students sit in class for a few days, decide that it wasn't for
them, and leave. They were able to be "reversals", meaning they
weren't charged for the time they sat in class. With students who did
what I believe was longer than ten days, they were considered drops, they'd
have to pay back the tuition earned while they were here, which varied by
program. Typically, a student who stays for 4 months of an 8 month
program was responsible for around 50% of the cost, less depending on what
books they'd received to that point. Now, this was all prior to the fears
of the school closing. As emails/ articles started to be read, student
would pop in with questions on what would happen to them, and what would happen
to their loans. The most common idea out there was that if they'd
started, the school would be around long enough to do a "teach out",
where they would be able to finish the program with the certificate awarded for
completion. And that since they finished the program, they'd have to pay
back their loans. If their school in particular was a not a "teach
out" school, their federal loans would be refunded in full. We didn't
have any word on if they'd have to repay their 3rd party loans or not.
Our campus in particular
didn't close, as we were purchased by the non-profit company Zenith, but that
didn't stop a flood of phone calls:
"Since y'all
are closing, do I have to pay back my loans?"
"Who do I need
to talk to about loan forgiveness since you won't be able to place me in a
job?"
"I heard the government
is shutting you down, do I still owe you guys money?"
All of those
questions were answered more or less the same way: If you attended here,
you're still responsible for your loans. Now, if we had closed, like many
other schools, here's how I would interpret repayment:
As a school where
the back end is geared SPECIFICALLY to help student find employment, if an
entire "Start", or generation of students cannot be placed due to
circumstances outside of their control, the school has failed them. As an
employee, I'd leave a closed school with the job experience, and monetary
compensation, to go somewhere else and maybe not miss a beat. I think the
big secret about trade schools that is communicated, but not really explored,
is that the credits RARELY transfer there isn't one curriculum shared by all
schools. So Susie can't come here for 4 months, have the school close, and
pick up somewhere else that isn't under the Corinthian Umbrella, and most
cities under that umbrella only have a single campus. So a student that
went to a Corinthian school for 7.5 months then had the school close, they
likely paid for the entire cost of an education they can't produce proof of!
In instances where a student devoted time, and energy to an education
stripped from them, I don't think they should have to foot any portion of that
bill unless the program can be completed.
Student that were able
to finish, but don't have a career services department to go through, that's a
tougher situation to tackle. On one hand, they were given all of the
knowledge in the field they were pursuing. On the other, a very strong
portion of what was promised to them is gone. Much like student loan
forgiveness exists for other careers/ walks of life. That should be handled on
a case by case basis. Plenty of students bypassed that aspect of we
offer, and were just fine in the long run. I still concede that without
that, it hinders some student from attaining employment, because not everyone
has the same access/ connections to find employment.
The question of who
should help to pay for these students has come up. I'm always slow to put
that burden on people that have nothing to do with the errors in judgement on a
situation. The buildings/ campuses the company held? Once those are
sold, that money should go to repaying the debt students incurred. The
individuals making huge sums of money while all this was falling apart?
They should have money taken from them to aid those individuals they
misled. This isn't a faceless issue - the people who made poor choices
have been outed, and in many cases let go, but that doesn't make them any less responsible
to the people they hurt. When you have a company headed by people that
can't even remember their dedicated employees' names, and work across the hall
from them, you can't expect those same people to value students they've never
even met. These are the people that should have to atone for students
worrying about their next step in life, when all they've done is try to better
themselves.
Being employed by a
new company, with in many cases new leadership, there's no personal axe to
grind with Corinthian Colleges. In some cases, their name is still on the
paperwork. But when you have to look at a room full of grown men and
women, and you can't tell them if the lights will be on tomorrow, you can't
help but want those responsible to make it right, whether it's voluntary, or
forced on them. To any student left out there, you've got lots of people
that know your struggles, and hardships, and know that you deserve to be heard,
to be respected, and vindicated for any hardship this caused you.
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